Sixty percent of these deaths were documented on the border between Mexico and the United . I just would like to know if you see that as well? This is the real one: The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been . Basically akin to that in the movie the predator. She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. Im sorry but the question deserves a dumb answer. Froonand Kremerswere both in their early 20s; they traveled toPanama to work with children. According to Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin's office, the U.S. Coast Guard provided Panamanian authorities with technical modeling to support the search for the aircraft. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. I think she is pointing, but at something else in another location. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. Her face also appears to be heavily damaged, bruised and bleeding and her hair appears to have been pulled out and or cut as its sticking out in ways that dont seem normal for her ponytail.. If so then those could tell some information. Hi, do you know when and where this book will be available? I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. What is clear is that on that fateful day the girls went out for a short hike and never came back. Yes! I have watched so much about this case and this is the first time I have heard that the parents withheld photos. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? Perhaps he gave some other persons a lift with the girls as is one of the stories out there. I think this photo in particular is odd. It only makes the image look more detailed, but the detail is artificial and can be very misleading. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). There are no public statistics. And it seems to be leading to a dead-end. Sometimes that is all that is found. Over four days, 77 separate attempts had been made to call the cops - using the emergency numbers in both the Netherlands and in Panama. How many tourists go missing in Australia each year? Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. In other pictures of her crossing water she is clearly dirty with her hair up. A serious accident.immediategetting lost just building panic. Kris and Lisanne's families decided to fly out to Panama and bring Dutch detectives with them. If you take small part of a bigger image and blow it up to match the size/aspect ratio of other photos on the card, it will still keep the same number of pixels per square inch, but they will become much bigger. I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. It would be interesting to see a map of possible mobile blackspots because it seems where ever they were IF STATIONARY then they were on the extreme edge or reception dependent on atmospherics. We simply dont have enough information at this time. I cover a lot of these things in my other comprehensive article regarding Kris Kremers Bones: There are simply too many variables involved to oversimplify the case with the conclusion that they got lost. Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. Im not sure though, Id have to search in my graphic editor again. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. Particularly given that you have very admirable aspirations for what you intend to do by investigating the trail on the ground. Very interesting and completely changed my mind. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JheETl6Obg. January 4, 2023. Hi Jim, I appreciate your comments but please lay off the language of calling people fools. Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. This girl was tortured before they killed her. If so, they may have wandered across the field looking for the original path back and got themselves well and truly lost. I have no doubt that the camera was tampered with. While some believe Kris and Lisanne died in an accident, the ex-cop slammed the police investigation in Panama as shoddy and said it should be redone. & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? You will notice another branch of dead leaf just below it. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. For other inquiries, Contact Us. Yes, exactly. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. Why would that be? Her skin does not look pallid like that of a dead person, it is still pink. But someone may not like it, so I hope that you will be very carefull! Who did the manipulation of course is a mystery but it points to being a corroboration of the police narrative that they got lost. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Thanks for some new information, excellent analysis of the photo! Gang initiation rights are unknown these small gangs dont have an official policy as you might see with the larger gangs its usually just do as we say and well protect you. Ive written about dozens of stories involving incompetence of law enforcement in disappearance cases. They very quickly realized that they could not find the point where they entered the jungle and if they were in trouble, and that is when the 911 calls started. If you find any additional information, please let me know. It also contained Lisanne's camera and both of their phones. He has some resources at his disposal. A year later, two tourists following the same trail are robbed at gunpoint. Youtube channel backpackercoach or backpackingcoach i think, has a video called is it a cave? where he shows a section of trail that looks much like that. I believe the backpack was placed near the river in order to indicate where the remains would be found (like a flag), and perhaps the backpack was provided in hopes to receive the reward money, and the location of the backpack meant that searches would move to a different location (potentially because the police were too close to the suspects at the time). Especially the beams and details, and the cave behind her. Both were never seen again, The Sun reports. Might look harmless and untouched which is why she is standing so close but then she is either caught or trapped in a booby trap lol. You have a good eye! Highly probable. Problem with that is that you would think they would simply turn round once they realised. Just a few weeks later hes found dead. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. ), which doesnt look natural. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. If the dog went with them, its likely that the girls would have taken a photo of the dog, even if the dog was in a photo accidentally. So, if the dog went on the hike with the girls, its most likely that the owners would not have known that fact. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? . If they had solved the case, the international community (and the families) would have been satisfied and let it fade into history. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. His family told Fox News that he had been traveling by himself and he was in good health. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? Hi Oliver, I do believe that theres enough evidence to conclude that some of the photos were graphically edited (photoshopped) but I dont think this photo was manipulated. And I think that sunlight she is trying t avoid also is the reason for her facial expression. I was surprised to learn that. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. Your email address will not be published. If you are in the middle of the jungle, lost, and desperately trying to find service, why waste your battery by logging into your phone. Regarding the photos, I have no idea why they would be taking these, deleted some later and left this one, especially since the ribbed roofing structure is somewhat obvious. To begin with his suggests either they walked into dense dark forest so there was no foto ops or it stopped being fun and started to become serious so somewhere not far beyond that stream did they met a fateful fork in the path which took them towards oblivion. Theres a lot of loose ends to be tied up, but I think this 2021 investigation can do it. Search shoe with foot in it found. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. Hi Chris, great work by you on this. However, regarding Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, Id need to know more about their personality to make this determination. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. The day before theguided tour, however, they decided to explore the area surrounding the activeBarVolcano towards the Continental Divide. You have to look hard. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. Also and I am assuming the phones where in their possession the phones actually did acquire a signal some times but clearly they were not being used so they did not know. The 3 of them died shortly after being in contact with the girls. The causes of Kremerss and Froons tragic death have never been determined and the two bodies that were recovered have not even been conclusively found to be either of the girls. Thanks for sharing this info. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. If you would know (and read) every bits & pieces of this story, you would actually see that the they got lost theory does not hold up with any of the facts and evidence found, not at all, not one bit. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. Photo link: play. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). They protested in China - now they've gone missing. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. For all that we know, it could be someone who works for the police who did this. When neither Froonnor Kremers turned up, the community decided to wait until the next day to contact authorities. Panamanian screwed up the investigation monumentally, but I would think that the private detectives followed up all the leads: after all, they were getting paid a lot of money for it. During thistime,Kremers and Froon repeatedly called for help. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. All facts are not available in this case. There are . May the case stay alive and well. The reason being, many people assume that shes leaning over and looking down at the rock before her. It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? Was it taken on the afternoon of April 1st before their first distress call? Panamas government is stuck in a desperate position. Despite these . Jalisco authorities have launched an investigation in connection with the enforced disappearance of four tourists. If I saw a cow skull hanging in a tree I would get the hell out of there, not pose for a photo. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. Lisanne's bones appeared as if they had decomposed naturally - but Kris' bones were mysteriously stark white as if they had been bleached, raising questions about whether someone had been involved in her death. Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. Full remains were found soon afterward and were assumed to be the two missing women. Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. They couldnt have been that far away from the return trail to Boquette. https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. A man and a woman. However, on closer inspection you can see that the left hand side of the post is really a vine or root hanging straight down and the white at the top is a patch of light in the background, as if there was a small narrow window in the bank Through which the sun is shining and it also looks as though someone is looking through it at Kris. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. I think its very possible that someone was with them or joined them along the way at some point. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Wonder if it could be a piece of an aircraft wreckage. Phone records. Can it explain Lisannes foot that was broken? There is no question thats what it is. At least the trash element and roof structure looks like very strong evidence. I wrote about the upcoming book here: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/new-book-coming-spring-2021-kris-kremers-and-lisanne-froon-case/. I think murder is quite likely. Debra Ann Velleman, 70, of Waukesha, Wisconsin, and Sue Borries, 57, of Teutopolis, Illinois, both retired public school teachers, were part of a community of snowbirds and expats living in the area of Chame, Panama. Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. With all the misinformation thrown out there and poor follow up work (likely to protect tourism), any ones guess is possible. Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. JW, I agree with you totally, thanks for your intelligent remarks! Like you would get from being hit. I think they were murdered and their greatest mistake was to travel to this little town in Panama. Let me dampen the third party argument by asking IF their end was at the hands of another personwhy not simply bury the rucksack rather than all the elaborate need for photoshopping and phones used in the hands of a third party ? This photo has been edited. So that is what she discovered here. Theycalled 112, the emergency number for the Netherlands, as well as Panama's emergency number, 911. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. This is highly unusual. Maybe shes told to put her hands up and walk into this structure. He has a whole series of You Tube videos (over 50) that were made that show that the pictures were manipulated and he names the suspect. It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. Why no more fotos were taken after 508 on the 1st until the nighttime session on the 7/8th? That is not a cave or a ravine behind her. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. Shes just exploring. I do not know. Feel free to comment again or send me an email. Do mobile phones store the number entered? The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. Such a tragedy. We live in interesting times. Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families. People in developed countries often have a more ideal view of what a pet represents. I do believe that this appears to be some sort of structure though, it does seem like some vines / branches have been woven together to form some sort of hut and even the AI enhancement would not make the blue appear on the floor so distinctly, the color and look almost reminds me of a scrap of denim like material? Terrible for the parents. Where did he leave them? So they made it out of there, The picture with her standing at cave entrance is also the same place she was standing in dark way off in background. Her right hand is clearly raised in front of her shading her face from the sunlight. This story and all the bizarre features surrounding it as strange as they are, are actually very much similar to the thousands that have been put together by former cop and forest ranger David Pauladis series of books Missing 411. From the story of Holger, it seems unlikely to imagine that the medical examiner overlooked the very serious condition of the cyclists remains. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. In fact the last 4 (pre-nightime) photos are at odds with the others. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. The girls phone records later showed that they started making their initial distress calls on their cell phones approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes after their last known daytime photo (Photo 508).