Once Id finished with it, I researched it. Dont you? I mean, we have friends who have come to us and said, listen, just like along the way, I realized that my identity is queer. I had no family of origin. And me, I too am on Instagram. But like, not for me. So actually Ive changed more in positive ways. * How many virtuous mothers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 2023 Audacy, Inc. All rights reserved. Its not good for anybody. Player FM is scanning the web for high-quality podcasts for you to enjoy right now. So this is someone who actually knows whats going on. Martha Beck: Rowan Mangan: Its so interesting, I definitely feel that as a more recent mother to a half God, just that sometimes subtle, sometimes not so subtle, pressure from other people to obliterate myself in service of my child. Excellent. Actually Bucephalus was Alexander the Greats horse. Site by Lilt Creative, So this arrived today. Thats not true. Rowan Mangan is a writer, podcaster and mom to a vivacious toddler. But now what they really discovered was that codependency is the way people typically act when theyre around an addict that they love. I dont have the logistical competency, but go, go ask questions. Im trying to figure out like the nature of your psychology? Yale professor Dr. Laurie Santos has studied the science of happiness and found that many of us do the exact opposite of what will truly make our lives better. I would say so. And now Im thinking about things happening. Youre a fly. ENTER YOUR NAME AND EMAIL ADDRESS TO RECEIVE THE REPLAY, Privacy Policy: We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. She was mugged while trying to recover from the bedbug bites. Welcome back to We Can Do Hard Things. With a healthy dose of humor. And yet, our culture calls it "virtuous." We have dinner together as a family almost every night. And if youre a Bewildered fan, wed love for you to consider giving us a little rate-and-review love on your favorite podcast player. And guess who gets to do the things that she doesnt want to do and doesnt have to do, this guy. You try to do everything and every now and again you burn out. So Im reading this book called The Ethical Slut and theres one called More Than Two, which is really good. And wow, Im just becoming so much more aware and yet not able to navigate or struggling to navigate. Yeah. And we had this little girl during COVID times and God, how do people raise a child with less than three women? Its right. It was like trying to hold ourselves on a little bar above the earth indefinitely and everything was pulling us together. Host Kelsey McKinney discusses reader-submitted comedic gossip with guests, diving into the lives and decisions of complete strangers. We dont have your exact situation, but we do have three parents. I just think thats so freaking cool that you had the courage to do that. And so its just, honestly, its the best case scenario. I honestly, Ive got to tell you, Marty, I wasnt that invested in the outcome of the question. So when we were first together, we were on this ranch and one things about being out in nature is its very silent and theres not a lot of hubbub and its hard to hide whats going on in a house. Its rubbed off on us. And you are not in the equation. I was making a salad and looking at the TV and the man said, The mother bear will not do things for her cubs that they have learned to do for themselves, for this would make them ill equipped to survive in the wild. And I was like, Wait, wait. And I looked at these three very competent human beings whom I was serving dinner. And me, I was already out on my ear. That you give till it hurts. Cause really this is just all about authenticity. 1. A huge lesson for couples based on the revolutionary ways they deal with conflict, jealousy, and daily rituals to stay close. How many good mothers does it take to put in a light bulb? No BS. So whenever somebody tells me now that their kids told them theyre non-binary, I just think of that kid as like, oh yeah, that kids really smart. Because thats the whole thing of codependents, youre trying to figure out what another persons psyche is doing so that you can fill all their needs before they get upset. Im sure that youre just a jolly, jolly bunch. And you can automatically see why Bev refers to herself as a mother. Salty, klutzy and Aussie, Ro co-hosts the Bewildered podcast with her wife, Martha Beck. Yeah. I try to live in a way that feeds my heart and soul, even when that goes against the norms of our culture. And youre trying to cook. Seriously, Ive been getting physical therapy and then I lift weights like a maniac to try to build my strength up. And so the whole getting interrogated and having to defend yourself and everything, she knew that wouldnt happen to her with her most intimate people. Get them out of the way early. In todays episode Polyamory \u0026 Throuple Life Martha Beck and Rowan Mangan entrust us with their polyamorous love story.Martha Beck, Rowan Mangan, Abby, and I talk through:1. The hilarious moment Martha, Karen, and Rowan told their friends they were now a throuple.</p><p>4. Theres some ego work. I watched in awe from my home while this simple phrase from Untamed WE CAN DO HARD THINGS the mantra that saved my life twenty years ago, became a worldwide rally cry. This isnt just me. I am learning so much about that term and what it means and how it applies to my life as a mother and caregiver. We have this silence thing. And so then over time we sort of edged towards what was actually happening, because the one thing about Martha and Karen is anyone who knows them, knew them, that that is not ever going to break up. But Ive been doing self-help thing, my whole career. Anyway. When my older kids were about 12, 14 and 16 or 10, 12, and 14, they were sitting around like writing computer programs and stuff. Keeping this cookie enabled helps us to improve our website. And they would try to build it up so this woman was so deserving of pity, and then theyd compete to see who deserved the most pity. It's my intention to go on living in this country until the good Lord strikes me down where I stand. I love it. Good. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices. Were like, were going to say we have developed a very strong family feeling. Writer Podcaster. What is Polyamory - and how Martha, Rowan, and Karen make their relationship work. Okay, so you were feeling it was weird, but you were telling yourself it wasnt weird. 3. 4. I do think also that if youve had to take care of someone or something, like a pet or a baby, and the most of the people doing care for very young babies are women, you get into that mindset of trying to be almost psychic about understanding other people what they need. TW: @TheMarthaBeck And I remember sort of looking at And I think I blurted out something and this was true at the time, nothings happened. 1. These comments were from people from all races, ethnicities, creeds, and nationalities who had felt othered. No, I got a lot out of that. (Topic Discussion starts around 00:09:23). And so I just got back from South Africa and all of them had been sick while I was gone and the baby was sick, but then the baby got well and all the adults got sick. And let me tell you, Adam doesnt pretend anything. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices. And Rows like, I dont even care anymore. So we were talking about this morning. Martha Beck: The good news? Who wears the strappy thing? TW: @TheMarthaBeck I went to school in Singapore with a bunch of Russians who had to have a Soviet Communist minder there, watching them learn Chinese, so that they wouldnt learn anything that was against the party. She was incredible. So what is most of your conflict about? We love you so much. Come on, out with it. I did. Dont you think because you have a non-binary kiddo, you said, right? Yes. 2. Oh, now that sounds bad. What is Polyamory - and how Martha, Rowan, and Karen make their relationship work. Only I can do it for the little baby bears. Do you know what I mean? Coming out of that I think Ive come a long ways in recognizing my codependency and changing things in small ways. And she says, Okay, so this is Because Karen doesnt care. They walk in silence along the beach for a few more moments. So I was in my late thirties at that point, mid late thirties. The moment she gets here, Im going to start working with her, were going to try to pull her out of whatever rage she is in because this horrible experience. Rowan Mangan: It makes you think more and it makes you change more. This is the code, when its a newborn baby, Im still talking about newborn baby. Write by: . I feel so much better now. Can I talk about one more piece of research? We would make Row go to sleep in the family room. Im experiencing the outdoors. Plus Karens a morning lark and were both night owls, so we got the whole shift covered. The laughter is amazing. And then the last thing is youll start to feel, you will deny this, but youll begin to feel resentful. 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And its so nice that Bev asked about that because my whole brain is all sort of turned that direction as I read through this beautiful, wonderful book. At least not for me. New episodes on Mondays for free. Your day sounds like freaking heaven. </p><p>2. As events unfold and new crimes are uncovered, what will it mean for all involved? Rowan Mangan: 2023 Podvine, LTD. All rights reserved. I was like a zoo animal. Thank you, Bev. A Nonsense Relationship Boys' Love High school teacher Han YoungJin has his heartbroken by his long time friend and unrequited love. Rowan Mangan: 2. Would you say thats it? And Karen and I had to learn to give shots. Yeah. We are obsessed with fighting because we just, I dont know. And I just said, You know what kids? Martha Beck: And we said, we shouted down, we werent that worried to be quite honest, even though she was making a terrible racket. Is it two of you that start fighting and then someone else referees? Dr. Martha Beck is a New York Times bestselling author, life coach, and speaker. The codependent is the fly, I feel completely bound to sit here and wait for you to take my life energy for your needs. And the spider is like, This is such a great relationship. So the person higher in the power hierarchy is often the spider and is being served by the fly. Yeah, exactly. But codependency can make you feel exhausted, burnt out, and resentful toward those youve been helping, especially when they feel entitled to your over-giving. What can people do today to return to themselves? I would argue that there is a net that the fly gets caught in, initially. And I mean, Im putting that strongly. Theyre like weird little suitcases, like a really heavy block of metal with a handle on it. And its just so beautiful to hear you say we are abnormal and very, very happy. So shes up with the baby and at 9:00 am, we try to be up and have enough caffeine in us to be functioning. And a review would be also be wonderful. Go to my website, rowanmangan.com/bewildered. My whole life is about spirituality. Its like, who wears the pants? Martha Beck: Rowan Mangan: Yes. stung by the hypocrisy of martha's homosexual lifestyle in light of her previous characteri It basically means putting such a high level of attention on someone else's needs and well-being that you actually forget about yourself and what you need. You managed to not only lift it, but make it make you fly. And now Im afraid she has like a gym phobia and will never work out again. Can you email me that so I can tell the kids thats what Im doing when Im watching The Real Housewives of wherever. And I wrote out a nice little guide to submitting your questions. Of course, nothings happened. Then we went down to dinner in the other place and when we walked in, someone had his phone open and he was reading about polyamory. Rowan Mangan: Why do you follow the culture when you see what the culture has done, right? The other person comes up within a few minutes. Thats how bad they were about it. Like just happens to line up exactly with the rules of the culture. Exactly, me too. If there could be a future focus at some point on codependency. And when you try to leave, they sting, they bite. So the metaphor I always use with people, once I figured it out for myself, intellectually, if not emotionally, is that if you ask a spider what it loves and whom it loves, it might tell you, I love flies. Because spiders love flies, the way they crunch, the way they taste, all about flies is wonderful for a spider. Good Lord, I heard so many stories, not just in Mormonism, of couples going to a family therapist and saying, Hes fine, but shes exhausted. She said, I think something connected with me out there. She said it was like a little grub of consciousness. These short bites of knowledge and wonder will give you inspiration to stay on your mission, build consistency, and serve others with all your heart! Im really resenting talking to you for two hours a week so Im going to cut down to one. And you say, You know what? Its the truth. Yeah? If anybody solves all the problems humans created, it will be humans. Full of blue cheese. And to me, rediscovering the feeling of a village around the fire, we have a little village in our house and we could not do with one person less, it would just be so much sadder. Like we feel very connected in a family way. And they were both pretty amazing about the prospect of having another tiny person to look after. And for me, the soul is genderless. But bisexuality had just It was so sort of obvious to me that it had barely been worth stating. We read them all and love them. Copyright 2023 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. Rowan Mangan: Whenever I slip back into the world of shadows, she is the one who leads me back into the light." Martha Beck, Leaving the Saints Read more quotes from Martha N. Beck Share this quote: Like Quote 1. Like, How do you have sex with a woman? These kinds of questions. Yeah. So to say this, I just, we need to set up a few things around age. And as a happy little fly, youre like, Oh, I want to make you happy. And before you know it, thats the string wrapping around and around and around you, is their reactions of feeling entitled and being angry or sad if you dont do everything they want. Martha Beck: TW: @rowanmangan Really? Yeah. Its from like the 14th century when people decided that being obsessed with your romantic partner and trying to fulfill every single one of each others needs would be the gig. 3. Ratings and reviews are like gold in the podcasting universethey help people find us, they help build this beautiful community, and most of all, they help us in our quest to Bewilder the world. Just stay in bed, read, Sunday snuggles, coffee in bed. I know. The trigger for me in this is that I have two spiders in my house my adopted teenagers. This double date is a first for us because We Can Do Hard Things listeners, Martha and Rowan are missing one person, who is Karen, because Martha and Rowan and Karen are in a polyamorous relationship. And I write and talk about integrity. I often think it must be really hard for people whose nature lines up exactly. We are all doing hard things every day we love and lose; we forge and end friendships; battle addiction, illness, and loneliness; care for children and parents; struggle in our jobs, our marriages, our divorces; we try to set and hold boundaries and we fight for equality, purpose, joy, and peace right in the midst of all the hard. And some cuddles while we watch television. How do we unhook from the spider-fly relationship? My great grandfather had three wives. And its still the worst thing you can do for everyone involved. So, I mean, its hard to avoid the fact that this is a bit of a gendered thing. There was a commotion upstairs. And now theyve done a re-publication of Codependent No More and guess who they sent it to for a blurb? Im going to spend a ton of money to go on Martha Becks-. Its time for another BeWild Files episode of Bewildered, where Martha and Rowan answer questions that YOU, the listeners, are trying to figure out! You speak them all the day long. Its palpable, we can feel it. Martha Beck: I was lucky to be able to physically move out there. She was machiavellian, it was shocking. Made in , 1. And I said, I dont know how I got the Like I had the most wise download of the history of my life in this moment. Email us! Oh, but isnt that a beautiful way. Rowan Mangan: About Martha: Shes on Facebook, The Martha Beck, and shes on Twitter, marthabeck. They look like something that you shouldnt pick up if its going to be heavy. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices. 2. linktr.ee/rowanmangan. Review our. Yeah. Its sexualizing yourself in front of people over and over and over again, that is traumatic. Eavesdrop on life as it's lived. Of course. Things are going to change. You think you should cook, you should clean, you should get Lila, give her a bath. Im Martha Beck, here with Rowan Mangan. Like I was very lucky and that I grew up in a very progressive sort of family and city. But on her way, we kept getting these updates from Rowan Mangan. I want to know what they were feeling and thinking at that moment because the culture is not interesting to me. Thats the middle of the night. Rowan Mangan: Tell me how that happened. And I was like, No, we have to have a group thread and youve got to call me sometimes and youve got to tell me that your day is going fine because I was really scared that they were the unit and I was the third wheel coming in. And that was really scary to me because it didnt feel solid.
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